Disclaimer: The photographs on this blog are not of the people being interviewed and are only meant to be representative of the type of people who are telling their stories.
I am aware that this shul is my favourite
shul in the whole world, much as I am aware that I am the most comfortable in
my skin in this place, year after year.
The huge windows next to me look out
over a frozen lake and up towards a mountain of fir trees. Snow falls in huge
fat spiraling flakes, mesmerizing, exquisite. The singing swells, luscious,
many harmonies rippling through the room. Snow light pours in through the
windows above the aron kodesh.
Yes. I am at another Eshel at the Isabella Freedman Center, the fourth one I have attended. The people who fill this room
are my friends and my extended family. Some wear zaidener bekishes and black
hats. Some wear pressed jeans and designer shirts. Some have wigs and some have
scarves and some do not cover their hair at all. But we are all family, whether
we look the same or practice the same or speak the same or believe the same
things or are the same age or come from the same parts of the world because,
for once, we are in a room that is filled, exclusively, with Jews who are
connected with Orthodoxy and identify as Lesbian or Gay or Bisexual or Transgender
or Queer.
There’s nothing like it.
The sense of unity alone is something to live on for months.
The sense of delight and pleasure and
exhilaration and discovery…
The sense of belonging…
There is a session on LGBT blogging and I sit next to the writers of Frum Gay Married and the Jewish Pink Elephant. We talk about why we write our blogs and what have been some of the outcomes. We cry. We laugh. We talk and talk and talk some more and at the end, there are questions and comments. Many of the people say thank you. Thank you for letting our voices be heard. Thank you for being there when I needed to know I wasn't the only person frum gay person in the world. Thank you for validating my experience. For reducing the loneliness.
This year, there are a larger number of Chassidic
women, and for that, I am grateful. I am feeling like this blog is worth the
effort and time it takes. I am feeling like slowly, slowly, people within Chassidic
and yeshivish communities are finding Eshel and beginning to connect. Cousins
discover each other. Neither knew the other was part of this community.
Old
friends from yeshiva see each other across the room, and their eyes widen. You
too?
A young couple sit in a hidden corner, holding hands, smiling shyly at one
another. families carry their children through the admiring crowds of adopted aunties and uncles.
Eshel. Community for those who have none.
Family for those who might have lost theirs.
I’m 21 yrs old. I live in New York. I grew up in an Orthodox community in the midwest and consider myself Orthodox, though I struggle
religiously. I work as a makeup artist and I am openly gay.
Growing up, gay wasn’t a thing, but I went through
a lot of bullying in middle school. There was one kid who targeted me and later
on, when I made a blog, I wrote about him but didn’t mention his name. He was a
bad seed. None of the teachers liked him. He would torture me. He got into my
head, psychologically, and he also hurt me physically, and he’d get other kids
to hurt me too, or he’d hurt them. The school didn’t do much about it. And then, in 7th grade, his
father became my principal.That
kid used to call me a girl, gay, faggot. He said those things, and I would go home
crying every single night. I was worried that he had somehow embedded the idea
of being gay in my mind, just through the constant name-calling. That was my
first experience with “gay”. I thought being gay wasn’t a real thing. Just a
product of the bullying.
That cruelty made it harder growing up in
orthodox community. And I was always told you marry a woman and have kids, and
that’s the way it is. When we went through the posukim having to do with gay
people in school, it was very casual. They didn’t stop to discuss it. It was
black and white, a condemnation. And if it was in the Torah as wrong, surely
there couldn’t be real people who were gay. I thought something was
psychologically wrong with me. I didn’t know any other gay people either, just
Jack and Will from Will and Grace. My first experience seeing two men kissing
was weird for me. I’d never seen anything like that in my life and it was
strange. I saw a whole different side in Tel Aviv. I got over that weirdness.
In high school, the bullying got worse. I
went out of town for yeshiva in 9th and 10th grade, but the
principal and mashpia guessed I was gay and they decided to make me their
project. They caused a lot of emotional damage that still affects me. High
school was terrible. It made me feel worse about myself, depressed,
self-conscious. For 11th and 12th grade, I wanted to go
back home, and I ended up in a local yeshiva. I never discussed being gay, but
it was something I struggled with. I began to do research online, and found
JONAH, and I thought that would be my way out, a fixing, a magic way out. I got
in touch with them and I started therapy with them. It was a horrible
experience, and the only good thing that came out of it, was that I was able to
come out as gay. The only reason I even told my mother I was gay was because I thought
they would be able to cure me. I told her, thinking it was all over and I would
be straight. They made me believe I could change.
I came out to mother through email. I was
so afraid of telling her that I couldn’t even talk to her. She texted me she
loves me unconditionally, no matter what. That night, she said she knew it as a
fact since I was in kindergarten, that I am gay. I was always different from
the time I was little. I came out when I was seventeen and by then, my parents
had had time to prepare themselves. They were shocked but still supportive. My
mother supported me in going to JONAH. They never forced me to do it, though.
And when I realized it was unhealthy and I stopped, they were okay also. They just
wanted me to be happy.
I left the yeshiva before my final year, and
I was homeschooled. I was able to sort out my life and move on. The yeshiva
didn’t kick me out. I just didn’t want to put anyone in an uncomfortable
position.
I have two older sisters and one younger
brother. My sisters knew I was gay, but maybe my brother didn’t. It wasn’t a
surprise to them. I was just confirming it to them. It was a shock but they all
handled it really well. When people asked my sister about it, she said, “It would
be selfish for me to say that it’s hard for me, since it’s S who is going
through this thing.” I have a better relationship with my family than I ever
did.
My mother and my siblings thought I was gay
because I have stereotypical qualities. I was different. My mother had a good
intuition because I was very flamboyant. It made it easier for me later on. If I
wasn’t so flamboyant, it would have been harder to come out, harder to get
accepted.
I’m not uncomfortable with who I am. It’s
who I am. It’s not me shoving it in their face…I am just being me, the way I
have always been. I don’t carry a sign, but this is just how I am. It’s nice
that I have so much support these days and from my family. I feel lucky to be
born in this generation.
My dad and I had an interesting
relationship. We are very different. We didn’t connect so much, but ever since
I came out, he’s tried really hard to be there for me as a parent. He struggled
with not understanding it, but he never had a problem with me actually being
gay.
I was always a good kid. So that made it
easy. I was good at home and good in school. One good thing is that my parents
don’t care about other people’s opinions. All Jews are Jews. They don’t like
those labels. They accept all Jews. In my father’s mind, me being gay was our
family’s thing, and everyone else’s opinions are irrelevant. He is a big baal tzedoka
and he gives to many places, but he stopped giving money to the organizations
and rabbis who signed the [homophobic] Torah Declaration. Family first! He has
my back, and that improved our relationship.
It’s surprising, but I didn’t have any
issues from the community, because everyone kind of guessed already. I left to
Israel after 12th grade, and that also gave everyone in the
community time to absorb it. It was shocking because I was so young and my
family was so prominent. Everyone offered opinions, but we were already at a
very strong point by the time that was happening.
In Israel, I went to Bar Ilan’s American
program. The dean knew I was gay, and he seemed cool with it, but he told me to
keep it on the down-low. I thought he was just being cool, but actually, he
didn’t want anyone to know. Then, when everyone did know, the dean started to have an issue with it. I hadn’t
realized that not being out [being on the down-low] was my condition for being
in the program. One of the teachers told me that the program was considering
kicking me out. I went to the dean and said, “My family and I will be pressing
charges of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation if you continue with
your plan to kick me out.We’ve
already spoken to a lawyer.“ I managed to finish out that year there.
There were a few boys in the program who
wrote mean things on my door, I spoke with someone in the administration every
single day for six months until it was finally taken down. The program wasn’t
good about me being gay. At the end of the program I spoke with the dean in front
of my father. I said the only reason I am talking about this now is because
there will be other boys who come after me who are gay, and may be not as strong
as me, and you could cause them to have a serious issue [suicide]. You could have a major
problem on your hands if you treat them the way you treated me.
When I returned to my hometown, people
weren’t so surprised about me being gay anymore. It was what it was. No one
talked about it. Some people were overly friendly towards me who had never
spoken to me before. “Oh my gosh! How are you?” They talked to me like I was
some kind of cancer patient. I preferred the people who were talking about me
behind my back!
One person who helped a lot was Rabbi
Litwack, my rabbi in 7th and 8th grade. He’s the one who
said it’s not so black and white. He doesn’t believe it’s something I can
change, and he told me that though I can’t do every single mitzvah, I can still
be a good Jew. He told me, if you are in an accident, how can you put on
tefillin? A kid who is autistic can’t do a lot of the mitzvos. He told me a lot
of supportive things. I go out to dinner with him or out for shalosh seudos.
He’s a really big influence and role model for me. He is part of the reason I
am still connected.
Certain situations make you realize who
your real friends are. The people who really care about me, have stayed my
friends. The only person I had a really negative reaction from is also someone
I think might be in the closet.
It’s difficult to be out and Jewish. I’m
not going to say it’s not. When you are finally out, you make a lot of friends
who have been through similar experiences. My mother and father can’t completely
relate to my situation. But finding people who can relate is amazing. But still, I am tied to a community that
rejects me. That is the experience of many of my friends, too. Your belief
system is in a different community, the Jewish community, and that poses a big
challenge as a person. I am confident and comfortable as a gay man who is
Jewish, but as an orthodox Jew, every day is a struggle. I always told my parents,
I want to keep Shabbat because I feel a connection rather than out of habit.
Now, it’s on and off for me, because I struggle to reconcile these two worlds.
That’s the hardest thing for me. It’s a purgatory. You don’t know where to go
because you are in-between two communities and you’d like them to be
intertwined, but for me, I just can’t make it happen.
I have friends who claim they are
successfully both gay and Jewish, but to me
it doesn’t feel fully possible. It’s a big struggle and it’s difficult. There
are no official answers, just vague opinions from Rabbis. I don’t believe it’s
fully possible to be completely comfortable with both, completely content. I think you can, but the connection is
challenging, like water and oil.
It’s interesting, because I took AP
psychology, and they say that when you go through something traumatic, it’s
hard to remember. It goes in your subconscious. The majority of my life, I was
in the closet, and I barely remember a thing about it. Now, I am just out and
about. Now, my earlier life feels like I am telling an old story. It feels so
far away and sad. It feels like I am a different person now. I used to be
miserable and alone and sad and depressed, and I had to pretend I was happy. It
makes me sad.
Now, though I struggle with being
religious, I am completely happy and feel so good and so deserving to live my
life without having to adjust myself to please others. I lived like that for a
long time. Im ein ani li, mi li?…”If I am not for myself, who will be for me?”.
I have goals but I don’t plan. Man plans
and G-d laughs. I’m so young. I want a relationship because I feel like I am at
that point now. Because of my circumstances, I had to grow up real fast. Most
people my age are still in the closet.But I am past that. I want to find someone to be in a relationship with.
I want to continue growing my business too. In the beginning it was hard, but
now I am busy.
I don’t know about having kids. I always thought that I wanted kids, and
now I am an uncle and I love that. Eventually,
I’d like to start a family with someone. I’d like to find someone Jewish, someone
who I could relate to and be able to open up to. I’m a very guarded person. I
build up walls because of everything I’ve been through. In a relationship, I’d
like to be myself and be comfortable and to feel like I don’t have to be
defensive.
I want to go to the Eshel shabbaton this
year, and I want my friends to go with me. All my friends aren’t sure what they
are going to do, but I really love going.
Everybody has their struggles and obstacles
in life, even though we can’t see everyone else’s struggles. Something I think
is crucial is respect. Just because you might not agree with the way I am, it’s
not your business. You don’t need to have an opinion on it. Have respect for me
even if you don’t agree with me. I am tznius, and you don’t even know what, if
anything I am doing behind closed doors. I am not going to damage your children.
I am not recruiting. Please accept me for who I am, not reject me, based on a small
part of who I am.
The first few years after she was married,
my sister had a hard time having children. Imagine if everyone in shul looked
at you, and gave you dirty looks and talked about you because you couldn’t have
children. Imagine if that happened to you. That’s what it’s like for me,
walking into shul, an immediate bad feeling, based on something I have no
control over. Please just find it inside yourselves to be respectful.
Good evening D. Can
you introduce yourself a little?
D: I grew up modern orthodox in NYC area and I
got involved pretty early on in modern orthodox youth groups. At the time I was
living on the boy’s side of the mechitza, and I got a better Jewish education
than a lot of girls in the more black hat yeshivish circles.
I knew something was different about me.
Even in the modern Orthodox Jewish world, conformity is a very very good idea.
When it comes to religious doctrine, it’s a lot easier when those in authority
don’t have to think too hard about how you fit in. They want everyone to fit in
and stay Orthodox.
I was different and one of the pieces of
rhetoric that came at me was that certain things don’t happen to good Jews. For
example, did you know there are no Jewish homosexuals?
Who me?
What
was your favourite piece of clothing when you were younger?
D: When I was 8, my best
female friend showed me a white dress that she was going to wear for the
Jewish holidays and I thought it was the prettiest thing I’d ever seen. I
wanted to be treated by my parents the way she was, as feminine. I wanted to be
able to express myself the way I wanted to. It was something about being girly.
I didn’t know exactly what it was. I was so jealous of my friend. It triggered
something. I held back on expressing that, an instinct not to say what I wanted to, because of fear
that bad things might happen.
What I owned, though, as a kid right before my bar
mitzvah, was a suit with a solid coloured jacket and it had a reversible vest
that matched 2 pairs of slacks and that was my first understanding of what
separates are, mix and match. I thought, variation is nice! I was not sensitive
to colours, but I did notice that girls' clothes had more colours than boys
clothes and I liked that.
Who was your favourite frum yid, growing up?
D: My father is in the running, but I’m not
sure he was my favourite…
Oh my god, this is a hard question! Hmmm.
It’s strange but I can’t think of one. My father is definitely in the top three, though.
He was Ralph Kramden with a yarmulke, a guy who always wanted to be Mr Party, lampshade
on the head, almost anything for a laugh, scheming for how to make a buck,
and always losing, every single time, because he was not a business man.
What he was
really great at was doing everything associated with the shul…he was a wonderful
cantor and wonderful baal tefillah, and he could take any group of Jews and
liven them up, just in a way of making things fun. People loved him for
that, but also, a big part of him wanted to take complaisant Jews and make them
a little happier. I admired that in him.
How did your father react to you?
D: My father died before I came out to him.
Had he been alive, it would have killed him.
Did your father think there was anything
unusual about you?
D: I was a whacky kid. I got bad reports home
from school. My father didn’t say anything about
it. He was not a macho guy himself. Guys drink beer and watch sports but he was
a good Jewish man who worked hard to support his family. I don’t think he
noticed much about me, but he definitely wanted me to fit in. He wanted me to
lead the prayer services. He grilled me for months before my bar mitzvah, and
he wanted me to be perfect. He taught me how to lein and I became good at it and I
liked it. I was an extension of him in Yiddishkeit. I was so and so’s kid, a good Jewish kid.
What about the rest of your family?
D: I have one older brother. I
haven’t talked to him in 22 years. He was not happy about me. He called me faggot and sissy and he accused me of being in love with my best friend, and I
don’t have much of a poker face for that kind of thing. My brother said I should
have the telephone surgically attached to my navel because I was on the phone with my friend so much. I don’t think he got the extent to which I
loved feminine things.
When I was thirteen, I read a book, Chaim Potok’s My Name is Asher Lev and it blew me away and it continues to blow me away. I understood something about the forbidden things in life. I
could never bring anything home. I ruled a lot of things out. I was afraid I
would get yelled at by my older brother, especially after my father died. My
brother took it upon himself to be my surrogate father, except he was nothing
like my father.
So I collected sports cards. I didn’t know
much about the players, but this was an easy thing I could do to fit in.
I was fourteen when my father died. It was for
the best. Because(sighs), he
probably would have seen how I was developing and would have tried to
counteract my effeminate behaviour and I don’t know what those measures would
have been.
In 6th through 8th grade, I was in a Jewish day school that was very strict, a black hat school, but I played the guitar. All the high school
girls wanted to get to know me! I was a faggy kid who was making it with high
school girls. The other boys had no idea how I did it.
In my high school year book, I was remembered for my little
black book, the symbol for someone who had a lot of girls' phone numbers.
Meanwhile, in truth, I was the faggy kid who liked girl things. I was nowhere near as cute
as the modern gay boys are, but still…
What has been your greatest challenge as a
frumtransperson?
D: Oh my g-d! In 1980, I met someone who was out, frum
and gay. I was shocked. He worked in a very gay place. I was
astounded. I
was frightened AND thrilled. I’d never met anyone like that.
In 1985, I met another frum gay man. I told
him that I had a yarmulke in my pocket, and this was old hat to him. He said
“You are not alone” and I couldn’t believe it. I started out as a gay boy, and I went
to these gay Jewish boys and met the first victims of pray away the gay. They’d
been told they should pray and marry and have children and all this nonsense
would go away, but all that ended up happening was that they ruined their own
lives, the lives of their ex-wives and the lives of the kids. It wasn’t easy
and it left scars on the gay men.
In 1987, I walked away from the frum world. I stopped being observant for 22 years. I was afraid that if I came
out as a gay boy and was told to pray away the gay, I would end up like those
people, I would end up like those men, angry, hating Judaism. And I didn’t hate
Judaism.
In 1997, this whirlwind of a person
decided to create things for Orthodox trans people because there were none. And she
created the Dina List (link) which still exists in what we now call a list
serve for Orthodox and Orthodox-friendly trans people. She and I were best friends.
There is no stopping her. She’s brilliant. She has a great mind for studying
Torah and for analysis and for getting to the heart of Jewish history and law.
She found a little known decision from a major rabbi that said that with post operative
transsexuals what you see is what you get. The target gender is their
gender. Dina List starways.net/beth/tzitz.html
Why did you start being observant again?
In 1997, I kept on saying it can’t be done and I walked away, but there were people who managed to
live an Orthodox life. That's inspiring.
My rebbe lived an orthodox life, and there
were others too…there was one person who came from a black hat yeshiva and all
her friends knew, and it was a scandal, because she transitioned in place where she
lived. She had guts! She was a role model and she was smart and articulate and
lovely and all these things that I wanted to be, and I started to feel classic
Jewish guilt, that these people were managing to be Orthodox and I wasn’t. At the
time, I lived in walking distance from two really great shuls. Why didn’t I just
go? I made a deal with G-d. It was a one sided deal because G-d never agreed. I said I would start going to shul and that if anyone made a fuss at any shul, I was out
and I was not coming back.
If a fuss was made, it was too quiet for me
to hear about it. No one told me I couldn’t come or that I should be on the
other side of the mechitza. I am still shocked that no one has ever made a
fuss. In several cases, I recognized people I knew from before, when I was in yeshiva, and I couldn’t say hello, because that
could be a triggering incident. I had decided that I would be modest and not
out myself in shul.
What’s your level of observance now?
D: I’m back to where I was as a kid. That’s my
comfort level. Only I’m a little bit more enlightened. I see the depth. As an
adult, the religion means something deeper to me.
Do you have a partner? D: I really want someone Jewish, someone orthodox. And that’s a
possibility now. There’s a community.
Why do you want to be with an Orthodox
queer partner?
D: In a relationship there are things
that create life, like shabbos. Without that, the relationship stagnates. I
want a relationship in which Judaism can prosper. In which I am not lonely.
Feeling lonely in your own home is not a good feeling.
Why don’t you go with a guy and be
“straight”?
D: The Jewish community will talk. Most frum
guys would be scared of being with a trans woman, and Jewish geography would out
us in a minute, even if we moved. Any frum guy who would take me into his
community, it would raise eyebrows. I think the Jews would hurt me, they would hurt
him.
With a trans woman and a lesbian in the orthodox
world, they can just pretend that we are “roommates”. “Roommates” is a way to fly under the
radar. You can find some acceptance even if people know. Do volunteer work at your
synagogue, they won’t kick you out. Be a good Jew, become part of the
community, it becomes much harder to throw you away. A guy, a straight
marriage, would be far more problematic. There are plenty of examples of lesbian couples who have
managed to stay in their frum communities and stay frum.
Do you think the trans experience is harder
than the general gay experience within orthodoxy?
D: The Orthodox community hasn’t gotten past
the gay thing yet, but at least we are in queue, they’ve seen glimpses of it
with Joy Ladin. The Rabbis still operate on the belief that heterosexuality is the paradigm,
therefore if you like men, you must be a woman, or some variant thereof. A trans woman
liking another woman is challenging. They can’t get their heads around it.
At the Chabad house in Carlsbad, California, there is a non-gendered space in the shul. The population demanded it. So that's great!
What makes you sad?
D: Not being able to find love.
What are you afraid of?
D: Too many things to come up with an honest
response. But here’s one thing: Complete rejection by the Orthodox community. Because
then I will go back to having no spiritual life. There is no stepping down. I
want my Orthodox spiritual life.
What do you love the most in Orthodoxy?
D: The idea that we have a direct connection
to G-d and that He listens even if he doesn’t grant every wish. We still know
He hears us and the requests go through.
What gives you the greatest joy?
D: The prospect of being loved, and the
ability to make people laugh. Hearing sincere thanks from someone I have
helped.
If you could ask anything from the frum
community, what would it be?
D: I saw it on a bumper sticker many years
ago. It said "G-d protect me from Your followers." It’s the greatest prayer I’ve
ever heard. Please stop listening to rabbis who say hateful things. They are
dangerous. Call them on their bull sh*t. Don’t let them substitute political concerns
for human concerns.