D: I grew up modern orthodox in NYC area and I
got involved pretty early on in modern orthodox youth groups. At the time I was
living on the boy’s side of the mechitza, and I got a better Jewish education
than a lot of girls in the more black hat yeshivish circles.
I knew something was different about me.
Even in the modern Orthodox Jewish world, conformity is a very very good idea.
When it comes to religious doctrine, it’s a lot easier when those in authority
don’t have to think too hard about how you fit in. They want everyone to fit in
and stay Orthodox.
I was different and one of the pieces of
rhetoric that came at me was that certain things don’t happen to good Jews. For
example, did you know there are no Jewish homosexuals?
What
was your favourite piece of clothing when you were younger?
D: When I was 8, my best
female friend showed me a white dress that she was going to wear for the
Jewish holidays and I thought it was the prettiest thing I’d ever seen. I
wanted to be treated by my parents the way she was, as feminine. I wanted to be
able to express myself the way I wanted to. It was something about being girly.
I didn’t know exactly what it was. I was so jealous of my friend. It triggered
something. I held back on expressing that, an instinct not to say what I wanted to, because of fear
that bad things might happen.
What I owned, though, as a kid right before my bar
mitzvah, was a suit with a solid coloured jacket and it had a reversible vest
that matched 2 pairs of slacks and that was my first understanding of what
separates are, mix and match. I thought, variation is nice! I was not sensitive
to colours, but I did notice that girls' clothes had more colours than boys
clothes and I liked that.
D: My father is in the running, but I’m not
sure he was my favourite…
Oh my god, this is a hard question! Hmmm.
It’s strange but I can’t think of one. My father is definitely in the top three, though.
He was Ralph Kramden with a yarmulke, a guy who always wanted to be Mr Party, lampshade
on the head, almost anything for a laugh, scheming for how to make a buck,
and always losing, every single time, because he was not a business man.
What he was really great at was doing everything associated with the shul…he was a wonderful cantor and wonderful baal tefillah, and he could take any group of Jews and liven them up, just in a way of making things fun. People loved him for that, but also, a big part of him wanted to take complaisant Jews and make them a little happier. I admired that in him.
What he was really great at was doing everything associated with the shul…he was a wonderful cantor and wonderful baal tefillah, and he could take any group of Jews and liven them up, just in a way of making things fun. People loved him for that, but also, a big part of him wanted to take complaisant Jews and make them a little happier. I admired that in him.
How did your father react to you?
D: My father died before I came out to him.
Had he been alive, it would have killed him.
D: I was a whacky kid. I got bad reports home
from school. My father didn’t say anything about
it. He was not a macho guy himself. Guys drink beer and watch sports but he was
a good Jewish man who worked hard to support his family. I don’t think he
noticed much about me, but he definitely wanted me to fit in. He wanted me to
lead the prayer services. He grilled me for months before my bar mitzvah, and
he wanted me to be perfect. He taught me how to lein and I became good at it and I
liked it. I was an extension of him in Yiddishkeit. I was so and so’s kid, a good Jewish kid.
What about the rest of your family?
What about the rest of your family?
D: I have one older brother. I
haven’t talked to him in 22 years. He was not happy about me. He called me faggot and sissy and he accused me of being in love with my best friend, and I
don’t have much of a poker face for that kind of thing. My brother said I should
have the telephone surgically attached to my navel because I was on the phone with my friend so much. I don’t think he got the extent to which I
loved feminine things.
When I was thirteen, I read a book, Chaim Potok’s My Name is Asher Lev and it blew me away and it continues to blow me away. I understood something about the forbidden things in life. I
could never bring anything home. I ruled a lot of things out. I was afraid I
would get yelled at by my older brother, especially after my father died. My
brother took it upon himself to be my surrogate father, except he was nothing
like my father.
So I collected sports cards. I didn’t know much about the players, but this was an easy thing I could do to fit in.
So I collected sports cards. I didn’t know much about the players, but this was an easy thing I could do to fit in.
I was fourteen when my father died. It was for
the best. Because (sighs), he
probably would have seen how I was developing and would have tried to
counteract my effeminate behaviour and I don’t know what those measures would
have been.
In 6th through 8th grade, I was in a Jewish day school that was very strict, a black hat school, but I played the guitar. All the high school girls wanted to get to know me! I was a faggy kid who was making it with high school girls. The other boys had no idea how I did it.
In my high school year book, I was remembered for my little black book, the symbol for someone who had a lot of girls' phone numbers. Meanwhile, in truth, I was the faggy kid who liked girl things. I was nowhere near as cute as the modern gay boys are, but still…
In 6th through 8th grade, I was in a Jewish day school that was very strict, a black hat school, but I played the guitar. All the high school girls wanted to get to know me! I was a faggy kid who was making it with high school girls. The other boys had no idea how I did it.
In my high school year book, I was remembered for my little black book, the symbol for someone who had a lot of girls' phone numbers. Meanwhile, in truth, I was the faggy kid who liked girl things. I was nowhere near as cute as the modern gay boys are, but still…
D: Oh my g-d! In 1980, I met someone who was out, frum
and gay. I was shocked. He worked in a very gay place. I was
astounded. I
was frightened AND thrilled. I’d never met anyone like that.
In 1985, I met another frum gay man. I told
him that I had a yarmulke in my pocket, and this was old hat to him. He said
“You are not alone” and I couldn’t believe it. I started out as a gay boy, and I went
to these gay Jewish boys and met the first victims of pray away the gay. They’d
been told they should pray and marry and have children and all this nonsense
would go away, but all that ended up happening was that they ruined their own
lives, the lives of their ex-wives and the lives of the kids. It wasn’t easy
and it left scars on the gay men.
In 1987, I walked away from the frum world. I stopped being observant for 22 years. I was afraid that if I came
out as a gay boy and was told to pray away the gay, I would end up like those
people, I would end up like those men, angry, hating Judaism. And I didn’t hate
Judaism.
In 1997, this whirlwind of a person
decided to create things for Orthodox trans people because there were none. And she
created the Dina List (link) which still exists in what we now call a list
serve for Orthodox and Orthodox-friendly trans people. She and I were best friends.
There is no stopping her. She’s brilliant. She has a great mind for studying
Torah and for analysis and for getting to the heart of Jewish history and law.
She found a little known decision from a major rabbi that said that with post operative
transsexuals what you see is what you get. The target gender is their
gender. Dina List starways.net/beth/tzitz.html
In 1997, I kept on saying it can’t be done and I walked away, but there were people who managed to
live an Orthodox life. That's inspiring.
My rebbe lived an orthodox life, and there
were others too…there was one person who came from a black hat yeshiva and all
her friends knew, and it was a scandal, because she transitioned in place where she
lived. She had guts! She was a role model and she was smart and articulate and
lovely and all these things that I wanted to be, and I started to feel classic
Jewish guilt, that these people were managing to be Orthodox and I wasn’t. At the
time, I lived in walking distance from two really great shuls. Why didn’t I just
go? I made a deal with G-d. It was a one sided deal because G-d never agreed. I said I would start going to shul and that if anyone made a fuss at any shul, I was out
and I was not coming back.
If a fuss was made, it was too quiet for me
to hear about it. No one told me I couldn’t come or that I should be on the
other side of the mechitza. I am still shocked that no one has ever made a
fuss. In several cases, I recognized people I knew from before, when I was in yeshiva, and I couldn’t say hello, because that
could be a triggering incident. I had decided that I would be modest and not
out myself in shul.
D: I’m back to where I was as a kid. That’s my
comfort level. Only I’m a little bit more enlightened. I see the depth. As an
adult, the religion means something deeper to me.
Do you have a partner?
D: I really want someone Jewish, someone orthodox. And that’s a possibility now. There’s a community.
D: I really want someone Jewish, someone orthodox. And that’s a possibility now. There’s a community.
D: In a relationship there are things
that create life, like shabbos. Without that, the relationship stagnates. I
want a relationship in which Judaism can prosper. In which I am not lonely.
Feeling lonely in your own home is not a good feeling.
D: The Jewish community will talk. Most frum
guys would be scared of being with a trans woman, and Jewish geography would out
us in a minute, even if we moved. Any frum guy who would take me into his
community, it would raise eyebrows. I think the Jews would hurt me, they would hurt
him.
With a trans woman and a lesbian in the orthodox world, they can just pretend that we are “roommates”. “Roommates” is a way to fly under the radar. You can find some acceptance even if people know. Do volunteer work at your synagogue, they won’t kick you out. Be a good Jew, become part of the community, it becomes much harder to throw you away. A guy, a straight marriage, would be far more problematic. There are plenty of examples of lesbian couples who have managed to stay in their frum communities and stay frum.
With a trans woman and a lesbian in the orthodox world, they can just pretend that we are “roommates”. “Roommates” is a way to fly under the radar. You can find some acceptance even if people know. Do volunteer work at your synagogue, they won’t kick you out. Be a good Jew, become part of the community, it becomes much harder to throw you away. A guy, a straight marriage, would be far more problematic. There are plenty of examples of lesbian couples who have managed to stay in their frum communities and stay frum.
D: The Orthodox community hasn’t gotten past
the gay thing yet, but at least we are in queue, they’ve seen glimpses of it
with Joy Ladin. The Rabbis still operate on the belief that heterosexuality is the paradigm,
therefore if you like men, you must be a woman, or some variant thereof. A trans woman
liking another woman is challenging. They can’t get their heads around it.
At the Chabad house in Carlsbad, California, there is a non-gendered space in the shul. The population demanded it. So that's great!
At the Chabad house in Carlsbad, California, there is a non-gendered space in the shul. The population demanded it. So that's great!
What makes you sad?
D: Not being able to find love.
D: Too many things to come up with an honest
response. But here’s one thing: Complete rejection by the Orthodox community. Because
then I will go back to having no spiritual life. There is no stepping down. I
want my Orthodox spiritual life.
D: The idea that we have a direct connection
to G-d and that He listens even if he doesn’t grant every wish. We still know
He hears us and the requests go through.
D: The prospect of being loved, and the
ability to make people laugh. Hearing sincere thanks from someone I have
helped.
D: I saw it on a bumper sticker many years
ago. It said "G-d protect me from Your followers." It’s the greatest prayer I’ve
ever heard. Please stop listening to rabbis who say hateful things. They are
dangerous. Call them on their bull sh*t. Don’t let them substitute political concerns
for human concerns.
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